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Postby snirpy » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:23 pm

just had alook on WRSTC.com SSI are on the council
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Postby Azza » Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:25 am

Hmm. I would have thought they had to do it then? Maybe a CESA isnt part of the WRSTC minimum standards any longer? Wouldnt surprise me if one day the only standard was turning up....
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Postby Azza » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:37 am

Ok so I checked the WRSTC minimum standards requirements for an OW course.

[quote="WRSTC"]
4.8 Pool/Confined Water Scuba Skills. The following scuba skills shall each be required to be taught to students in pool/confined water prior to that skill being performed in the open water.
(1) Diving system assembly and disassembly
(2) Equipment inspection (at water's edge)
(3) Entries and exits
(4) Proper weighting
(5) Mouthpiece clearing - snorkel and regulator
(6) Regulator/snorkel exchanges at the surface
(7) Controlled descents and ascents
( 8 ) Underwater swimming
(9) Mask-clearing, including removal and replacement
(10) Underwater exercises - with and without mask
(11) Buddy-system techniques
(12) Underwater and surface buoyancy control
(13) Underwater problem-solving (regulator recovery/retrieval, etc)
(14) Surface-snorkel swimming with full diving system
(15) Surface operation of the quick release/emergency function of the weight system
(16) Underwater removal and replacement of scuba system
(17) Underwater removal and replacement of the weight/ballast system (when wearing a scuba unit with an integrated weight system, may be performed in conjunction with 4.8.16)
( 18 ) Out-of-air emergency alternatives, including at least one dependent procedure and one independent procedure
(19) Equipment care and maintenance (at water's edge)

4.9 Open Water Scuba Skills. These open water scuba skills are to be performed while diving in the open water, wearing a minimum instructional scuba diving system.
(1) Diving system assembly and disassembly (at water's edge)
(2) Equipment inspection (at water's edge)
(3) Entries and exits
(4) Proper Weighting
(5) Mouthpiece clearing
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Postby Andy » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:57 pm

Azza wrote:I guess the highlighted standards are what the CESA would fall under, but it doesn't state specifically CESA..



Yup, it could be any independent solution to OOG - e.g. a pony bottle. I quite like the flexibility of the WRSTC guidelines at times.
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Postby Azza » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:05 pm

AND it isn't a standard to do so in Open Water....just Confined Water....
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Postby Andy » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:11 pm

Azza wrote:AND it isn't a standard to do so in Open Water....just Confined Water....



Yup, which is the SDI view of the world..... a skill can be dropped from OW if it is mastered in CW..... a nice idea (though potentially open to abuse from less experienced instructors) but does mean you can drop skills like snkl-reg exchange, which quite frankly if you can do it in the pool you're really not going to have a problem in the ocean.
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Postby Azza » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:20 pm

Speaking of snorkels...I have to admit I was disappointed to see a snorkel on the list of "needed" items :lol:
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Postby Andy » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:30 pm

Azza wrote:Speaking of snorkels...I have to admit I was disappointed to see a snorkel on the list of "needed" items :lol:



That's open to interpretation in SDI.... it's required by the students, but as I understand it, the instructor has the discretion of not using one.... :D

Wanna do a crossover, Azza??? :lol: :lol:
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Postby Azza » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:46 pm

The thread was split due to Andy hijacking the topic at hand :lol:

For the "Training Agencies" split please follow this link
http://www.scubadive.net.nz/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1378

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