Specialty courses

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What specialty course would you most want to do (assuming that you've done none)?

Altitude
0
No votes
AWARE - Coral Reef Conservation
0
No votes
AWARE - Fish ID
0
No votes
Boat
0
No votes
Cavern
2
11%
Deep
3
17%
Diver Propulsion Vehicle
0
No votes
Drift
0
No votes
Drysuit
0
No votes
Enriched Air
5
28%
Equipment Specialist
0
No votes
Ice
1
6%
Multilevel
0
No votes
Night
1
6%
Peak Performance Buoyancy
0
No votes
Search & Recovery
0
No votes
Semi-Closed Rebreather
0
No votes
Underwater Naturalist
0
No votes
Underwater Navigator
1
6%
Underwater Photogrpaher
1
6%
Underwater Videographer
0
No votes
Wreck Diver
4
22%
 
Total votes : 18

Re: Specialty courses

Postby Azza » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:59 am

Azza wrote:Of course this isn't really profitable for shops to do unless they start charging the same as your fundies course or more really. This part of the reason why we started SODS...

I should say this is really so we have good dive buddies more than competing with the dive industry...so you could say we are being selfish :lol:

I tried to edit my post to include this but cant. Anyone know why? Oh well...my post count keeps going up and up :P
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Re: Specialty courses

Postby Andy » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:11 am

Not wanting to get too far off topic by discussing OW courses rather than Specialty courses!!

I agree in principle with 100% of your point of view, Azza. The problem comes in practical implementation. Every course is different, ever student diver is different and there are always different constraints.

In an ideal world, every instructor would spend more time in the pool and so on, and every student would leave OW confident with the ability to demonstrate all skills whilst neutral etc. However, for most of my courses I am happy if a student is comfortable with their mask off, can share air effectively, can recover a reg whilst neutral and can maintain a given depth.

We should start another thread if we want to carry this on and comment on the dive industry and it's shortcomings.... but my take on it is that training is hugely undervalued, and the time it would take to acheive the "perfect" OW graduate is not practical for what the NZ market is wanting to pay. It doesn't help when you get dive centres that are charging $299 for an OW course - who then is going to pay $1000? The more training gets devalued, the harder it's going to be to produce good, safe divers.

GUE are intending to release their OW programme in November this year, I beleive. It's a 15 dive OW course and probably will set the standard for most comprehensive OW course around.... but how many people are going to pay $2000 for it? There should be a GUE instructor training in Australasia by the end of the year if you wanted to become a GUE instructor, Azza!! :D

I'm not going to split this topic yet - any further comments on OW training, someone please start a new thread.
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Re: Specialty courses

Postby Andy » Fri May 02, 2008 9:53 am

Well, as the voting stands as of today - the most popular course according to the poll is Enriched Air, which is the same as PADI indicated based on actual certifications.

What's the appeal of EANx to those who are curious or wanting to do this? EANx is not really that well understood by many people, so I'm just curious as to what benefit people think the course would bring.

Also, if people have done an EANx course, curious as well as to whether the course was something you;d recommend and whether you got any value out of it - particularly things you didn't expect, but also whether the benefits you thought you would get actually came about.
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Re: Specialty courses

Postby Xman » Fri May 02, 2008 10:32 am

I think that the main thing is that EANx is required to dive nitrox. More than any of the other specialty courses it is the one that most directly affects which dive services you are able to access. Other specialties are (mostly) designed around giving people experience and knowledge in a given diving arena in a supervised environment. A lot of the other specialties can be superfluous if you have a well trained and experienced diving mentor to show you the ropes and help you gain experience. EANx is a requirement for obtaining EAN fills.
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Re: Specialty courses

Postby Andy » Fri May 02, 2008 11:06 am

Xman wrote:EANx is a requirement for obtaining EAN fills.


Technically, yes.... though there are several places in NZ where I've got fills without being asked for proof of certification. It almost seems at times like "If you know what to ask for, then you must know what you are doing".

I guess what I was really asking was a different question - what benefits do people perceive of learning about nitrox and diving with it?
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Re: Specialty courses

Postby Azza » Fri May 02, 2008 12:36 pm

For me it was staying down longer in certain depths without having to do deco
Advanced EAN was about shortening deco :twisted:
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Re: Specialty courses

Postby Andy » Fri May 02, 2008 1:03 pm

I agree, Azza.... but I've seen a lot of people who want EANx for that reason, but who's tank would last longer if they stopped breathing and put a hoover on the LP hose instead.
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Re: Specialty courses

Postby Azza » Fri May 02, 2008 1:32 pm

Andy wrote:I agree, Azza.... but I've seen a lot of people who want EANx for that reason, but who's tank would last longer if they stopped breathing and put a hoover on the LP hose instead.
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Re: Specialty courses

Postby justsimon » Fri May 02, 2008 1:42 pm

what benefits do people perceive of learning about nitrox and diving with it?


I assumed that nitrox would give me longer bottom time. In the past I've been limited by the cold (got a drysuit), my buddy (second course choice would have been to get sorted with a pony bottle) and bottom time.

I'd like to be able to drop down for the afternoon. :D
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Re: Specialty courses

Postby alijtaylor » Fri May 02, 2008 5:15 pm

My perception prior to doing the EANx was longer bottom time at some depths and I did it with multi-day dive boat trips in mind. I generally shore dive in shallow depths and I suspect that air rather than no-deco time is still likely to be my limiting factor. I agree that EANx is a bit different from most of the other specialties on the list in that it can be a requirement. I also listed wreck as I regard that as a requirement before wreck penetration dives.

Andy I am interested in which other specialities were in the top 4? I should have noted in my oriignal post that I also did a photography speciality.

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Re: Specialty courses

Postby Andy » Mon May 05, 2008 10:21 am

Azza - sorry, was obtusely pointing out that for a lot of people the perceived benefit of longer bottom times isn't realisable as the limiting factor of the dive is how long they can make a tanks last, not the NDL.

Alison - I can't remember the other four specialties of the top of my head, but two were Boat Diver (really, yes!) and Underwater Naturalist. I'll rack my brains and try and remember the other two!
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