Good to hear from you. Wow, I think someone just threw a spark in a tinder box!!!! This debate has been going on for decades. And a very interesting topic none the less. This is why my focus is on taking pictures of wrecks, because every time I dive on her there is always change. Nothing is ever the same again each time I dive on the wreck. Stairwells fall, doors break off, book shelves dissolve with masses of bubbles hitting them. etc etc.
We cant have it all, pristine wrecks with everything on it and also historical artifacts for people in the future to enjoy. if you want a wreck with loads of artifacts on it then they all run the risk of eventually dissolving to the ground. Everything will eventually rust away. If this happens then noone will ever see the artifacts again. Then if you have everyone taking artifacts then you run the same result! So I guess there is only a certain amount of time till there is nothing left underwater.
Normally the people who shout the loudest about taking stuff off wrecks are the worst culprits but I do think that more thought should be done into actually coming up with a solution. I remember some person shouting their mouth off at me taking stuff off the lermi where in actual fact they were profiteering from taking off artifacts and selling them out of their premises! So I am not sure. Everyone has their own motives for shouting the loudest. Very seldom is it for the actual good of mankind and unfortunately most of the time for personal profit or gain.
Take for example the dive which has become a landmark dive on the Lermi - 'The Dolls" dive, which came about by articles being written and pictures being taken about 'Chucky the Doll" now every person who comes on our trips wants to come and see this amazing sight. If everyone took a doll then it will all be gone and there would be no more "Dolls dive"
here is another angle too....
We got the bell off the Port Kembla in 2006 and recently I took it in to my daughters school to talk to them about WWI and WWII NZ history. Now this was a really tactile prop I had and something right from that period of time that they could actually touch! Cant beat an actual historical artifact can you? We have been debating where it should rest and the main reason why it didnt end up in the Auckland maritime Museum was because they couldnt confirm that it would be on permanent display ! So it would sit in the back in some box for 20 odd years because it didnt match the fenqushway of other displays. So it looks like it might end up in the Dargaville museum - that way it will be permanently displayed for all to enjoy. Now how many people will ever see that bell sitting on the bottom on your lifetime? Bugger all!
In the Lermi, Books are there by the shelf load, but each time a set of bubbles hits the shelves books get dislodged and fall apart as they make their way to the lower parts of the lobby. Should we stop all open circuit divers completely from penetrating the wreck for fear of destroying these areas for ever? What about the bubble pockets which leed to accelerated oxidization of the metal?
So to answer your question - I dont know what the answer is.
This is a great discussion but unfortunately has the same outcome - sometimes there just isnt an easy answer!
For me personally, I love a little but of porcelain. I dont know why but I just do. I have a select few pieces with the morflot insignia on it. I love them and really enjoy them. Now I know where there are stacks and stacks of cups and saucers in the wreck. Do I take it all? nope! Do I tell everyone where they are? nope! Do I know that one day they will all be gone? Yip!
But it is really good now that people choose not to take stuff off the wreck just because they dont want to.
Lets focus now on people who take crays and scallops and shoot fish!!!!!!! They are living creatures and have families!! Just kidding....
Vampire Squid wrote:
petemes wrote:I have been into the library many many times and each time it produces little gems!!! Here I stumbled over some books uncovered by someones bubbles. 'Fundamental Law of the USSR' - how cool is that!!!!!
Regarding this Pete - Do you ever feel that such things as these (books and other artifacts) should be removed to the surface, be it via a private Diver or a Heritage/Archeological Diver, for both Display and Preservation
Do you feel that such things should be left intact upon the Wreck even though time will evertually take its toll.