binklebonk wrote:Keep in mind is that the wreck is not a static thing. Those doors that are hanging down on their hinges are waiting to drop. The metal that the hinges are made of are recycled balalaika strings and the dental fillings of Russian political prisoners. These have sat rusting for 25 years now..
Next time you go into the cinema have a look at the door that has fallen near the aft entrance. That's recent, and suggests that perhaps a single tank and nothing more is not enough to provide options should things get "sketchy".
What is this dive "fraternity" of which you speak? No one is going to say who can and can't enter the wreck, it's up to you. All I was saying is that given the scope of things that can occur in such a dynamic environment perhaps more is needed in the way of preperation. Please don't take this as a dig at you, I personally don't care what you do. I am surprised that a commercial outfit is running guided dives into areas such as the cinema with no more than standard OW gear.Drip wrote:I don't think I would have penetrated the Wreck as I did if the 'Dive Fraternity' of NZ deemed it that only fully equipped/certified Techies are allowed via a strict Restriction rating and enforcement. But as there is none, then I just followed the call of the local experienced Guide that was running a Commercial enterprise for Recreational Diving.
Hell no!Maybe things have changed Binks and maybe a Restriction is called for by 'all' Registered Divers that matter upon the matter in NZ
Like I said before. First chance I had, I got the impression that it was strictly a/for Tech Divers with heaps of equipment and certs.
But having spoken to a few Techies since then, I was given the good impression that a Diver of my cert level, with single tank, is more than able to get a taste of the Lermie to some degree.
I know a lot of accidents happen because of a lack of a Pony Bottle for a bail-out. But I still find that the entire Industry holds back from making it a mandatory appliance
Hang on a minute, I'm just not following why you feel persecuted. Please don't I'm trying to criticise the situation not you.Drip wrote:I feel like I've just penetrated a woman without wearing a condom (Pony Bottle), let alone having bought her a few drinks (Certs) firstly.
...no wonder she moaned (Boom - Boom, lets go back to my room).
Well for me the only qualifier for it to be an absolute must for redundancy is how many times removed from the failure is the consequence (for this we'll call the consequence dead or badly bent).bluey wrote:I often find the philosophy of "redundancy for everything that could fail" hard to quantify. How likely does failure have to be before we carry a spare or stay at home?
I have just returned from crewing my neighbor's yacht to Vanuatu where I did a variety of dives from the yacht and finished with 4 guided dives on the Coolidge.
As many of you probably know some of the Coolidge dives are way outside recommended limits for recreational diving. I know a lot of people view the dives as madness.
I went over a variety of possible accident scenarios which could happen at those penetrations and depths and realized of course that with the preparation we had, they would likely end in disaster. Then I thought about the huge number of people doing those exact dives constantly and the brilliant safety record upheld by Alan Power Dive. I had also chatted to a medic in Port Vila who said that the Deco Chamber was vary rarely used.
Then I considered the risk of actually sailing to Vanuatu on a 42ft yacht (far more likely to go wrong in my opinion). I looked at the risks and the rewards and went for it. I had 4 fantastic dives on the wreck, a couple of which rate amongst the best dives of my life!
There are always safer ways to do things and if those options are within reach they should be taken. We all know that a modern Volvo is safer in the event of a car crash than your average SUV or Corolla. Should we wait till we have a Volvo before we go touring?
Some things are likely to go wrong and should be avoided but how much risk is too much?
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