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Re: Pony rigs

Postby Phantom Menace » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:09 pm

All of this clip was filmed at Ti Point on breathhold. (Yes, fish die in this clip - sorry. No, it was not me - I have never shot that many fish in a single session and don't want to.)
http://youtu.be/qoeVa8iQAYM
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Re: Pony rigs

Postby Ali Perkins » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:26 pm

Ali Perkins wrote:Image


This is probably taken at about 25 metres, so it's pretty close to 30 metres... I just wanted to throw up a photo of a John dory. :-)

Actually I find they are a right royal pain in the ar$e to take photos of. They love to turn tail on to you and are basically so slim they become invisible (pretty much what the John dory does at the start of Phantom Menace's vid).
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Re: Pony rigs

Postby Phantom Menace » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:05 pm

To continue the thread derailment ...

Interestingly fishbase.org says:
"depth range 5 - 400 m (Ref. 9563), usually 50 - 150 m (Ref. 4968). "
http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=1370&AT=John+Dory
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Re: Pony rigs

Postby Ulsterkiwi » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:29 pm

Phantom Menace wrote:To continue the thread derailment ...

Interestingly fishbase.org says:
"depth range 5 - 400 m (Ref. 9563), usually 50 - 150 m (Ref. 4968). "
http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=1370&AT=John+Dory



LMAO more like a complete train wreck :lol:

I have to say until this reply I have always been told they tend to hang out in the depths. I have only seen one in the flesh twice, both times at 30+m, both times at a distance and both times they did exactly what Ali describes, I find them fascinating. JD and a Sunfish, thats my wishlist. Well that and a white shark but my wife says I am not allowed to deliberately go diving for them
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Re: Pony rigs

Postby ChuckyBob » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:34 pm

Ulsterkiwi wrote:So next summer when at the Poor Knights I might have a look deeper into Taravana,


Its a nice dive. Best you take a pony larger than 6 litre ( 40cf). Because if the shit hits the fan at the back I doubt it would get you out.
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Re: Pony rigs

Postby Ulsterkiwi » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:38 pm

hmmm I am really unsure about that one. I have heard a couple of scary near miss stories which do not exactly inspire confidence. Caves by themselves don't hold much attraction for me. Surely once you go beyond the light there isn't much to see? Anyway I am getting even more off topic.........
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Re: Pony rigs

Postby ChuckyBob » Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:09 pm

I know what you mean. I have been to the back a couple of times. The most enjoyable part was the last few meters out!
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Re: Pony rigs

Postby Cameron_R » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:51 am

Ulsterkiwi wrote:hmmm I am really unsure about that one. I have heard a couple of scary near miss stories which do not exactly inspire confidence. Caves by themselves don't hold much attraction for me. Surely once you go beyond the light there isn't much to see? Anyway I am getting even more off topic.........


Now that really is getting off topic, but you asked :mrgreen: so ...

In my opinion, it's definitely a case of you have to go there to understand. Caves might not have as much life as the outside, but they do have life, and it is super weird and super cool. For me floating through something that has taken hundreds of thousands of years to form is by itself a buzz. Caves sometimes hold formations that would blow your mind in their natural beauty, and the human spirit of exploration ("what IS around that corner") seriously kicks in.

ChuckyBob wrote:I know what you mean. I have been to the back a couple of times. The most enjoyable part was the last few meters out!


Sorry if this sounds arrogant but in my opinion, that is probably because you don't have the right training and experience to feel comfortable and relaxed enough to enjoy it. You have a heap of training and experience Greg, but not targeted at this type of diving.

After you have the training and experience, when you know your team of two people has 6 lights between you, 4 working regulators, tonnes and tonnes of gas, and the confidence to know you can get out no matter what eventuality hits you, you can relax and enjoy yourself and really take in the surroundings.

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Re: Pony rigs

Postby Ali Perkins » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:13 am

It sounds like Taravana Cave needs one of these signs...
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The primary causes of cave diving fatalities among divers untrained in cave diving procedures are:
- lack of training
- failure to maintain a continuous guideline
- failure to reserve two-thirds gas supply
- diving to excessive depths
- failure to carry sufficient lighting

New Zealand has a cave instructor in Jamie Obern, so anyone thinking about wandering around in Taravana Cave should seriously think about contacting Jamie first.
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Re: Pony rigs

Postby Ali Perkins » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:54 am

Ulsterkiwi wrote:Caves by themselves don't hold much attraction for me. Surely once you go beyond the light there isn't much to see?


It's not easy to convey how amazing cave diving is - maybe because unlike the consideration of ocean diving, the consideration of cave diving is done with a natural fear of dying which impacts the thought process. In my experience saying "what is there to see in caves?" is exactly the same as saying "what is there to see in the ocean?".

The cavern or light zone is without question very beautiful. This is just where the beauty of cave diving begins.
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Some caves contain mysterious clues to our human past: charcoal littered floors, artefacts and skeletons.
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Just as submerging in the ocean reveals another side to our amazing planet, so too does cave diving.
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Re: Pony rigs

Postby ChuckyBob » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:58 pm

Cameron_R wrote:
Sorry if this sounds arrogant but in my opinion, that is probably because you don't have the right training and experience to feel comfortable and relaxed enough to enjoy it. You have a heap of training and experience Greg, but not targeted at this type of diving.*


Oh I enjoyed it, no doubt about that. I just have a sense of relief after doing something with an element of risk no matter how well mitigated.

Do you not?
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Re: Pony rigs

Postby Cameron_R » Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:53 am

Definitely!
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Re: Pony rigs

Postby Ulsterkiwi » Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:42 am

beautiful shots!!
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Re: Pony rigs

Postby Ali Perkins » Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:45 pm

Thanks, but they're not up to Paul Nicklen from National Geographic standard yet. :-)

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Re: Pony rigs

Postby Ali Perkins » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:56 am

Oh I enjoyed it, no doubt about that. I just have a sense of relief after doing something with an element of risk no matter how well mitigated.

Do you not?


Without doubt there are some cave dives that I do where I feel a sense of relief at the end. For example if I'm doing something more challenging, perhaps deeper, longer, tighter or new. But for many of the cave dives I do, I do not feel a sense of relief at the end. I feel the same as if I had just been on a regular reef dive.

I drive from A to B, I don't feel "relief" that I successfully arrived at my destination. [Well in Mexico City I sometimes do :lol: ]
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